"Cylons are People" Two
"Sharon" said it herself: "to them, I'm not a person. I'm just a thing." I think that this Sharon really is different. It is shown in her name. She is Sharon, the others were Boomer. She chose to hand her gun over to the Commander, G-Boomer only handed some bullets over. Perhaps it's the maternal instinct taking over--or maybe that's all she is programmed for. Her objective while on Caprica was to get pregnant by Helo and make sure he loved her.
On a related note, the Gaius-Six interaction took an interesting turn this episode. Six is not a chip in his head. At the end, she repeats that Boomer is carrying our child. I'm not sure how many times the writers can beat this dead horse, but Gaius is a Cylon. I understand tht some may say "our child means the human-Cylon hybrid". This is true. The child is a hybrid of Boomer and Helo. The Cylons speak in us-them terms. Us means Cylons, them means humans. "She is carrying our child," means the Cylon's child. Gaius is a Cylon.
The creepiest line, drenched with the most foreshadowing from this episode: "I am an angel sent from god...I will lead you to the end of the human race."
On a related note, the Gaius-Six interaction took an interesting turn this episode. Six is not a chip in his head. At the end, she repeats that Boomer is carrying our child. I'm not sure how many times the writers can beat this dead horse, but Gaius is a Cylon. I understand tht some may say "our child means the human-Cylon hybrid". This is true. The child is a hybrid of Boomer and Helo. The Cylons speak in us-them terms. Us means Cylons, them means humans. "She is carrying our child," means the Cylon's child. Gaius is a Cylon.
The creepiest line, drenched with the most foreshadowing from this episode: "I am an angel sent from god...I will lead you to the end of the human race."
posted by (and Ernie) at 2:46 PM
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I have a new theory. I believe Sharon may be a Cylon... Oh, wait, nevermind...
I agree with you in that Baltar is a Cylon (it has been my belief since the Mini). 'Home: Part 2''s Six/Baltar conversation confirms it.
Seems kind of odd that Sharon would be placed in the more public cage, at least it seemed more public, and not come under attack again. Doesn't it make sense that someone in the crew will try to kill her again? Maybe Cally? The thing is.... Sharon, aka c-Boomer, isn't supposed to be there. Right? She is pregnant as planned, but has now gone native. Six's plan all along was for Sharon's baby to be "Gaius's baby", which implies Six saw Sharon's defection coming all along, and in fact predicted the future by knowing Sharon would be placed in that cell. However the cylons had other plans. Right? We don't know those plans, except in general getting a cylon to successfully give birth, but I'm guessing that the hybrid child wasn't supposed to go running off to earth.
My point being that if the cylon's want this baby back: they have to kidnap Sharon or the baby after it's born; and they cannot afford to destroy the Galactica or let Sharon die until they get that baby!
Cally, or some other crew member may attempt another assassination, which would kill the baby and thwart cylon plans. If she (or whoever makes the attempt) is stopped by someone... that person may be a cylon! Perhaps Lee will save Sharon & the baby's life. If Gaius tries to kill the baby, or Sharon, I think that says he isn't a cylon... and Six has now given him reason to try, if he's human that is.
All of this is based on the assumption that the cylon's plans for the baby are way out of whack now that c-Boomer has become Sharon, as you said. Also would mean that Six's plans deviate wildly from the cylon's plans. Even though destruction of the human race is evidently both their goals.
One more thing.... this future predicting done by Six... seems like I've heard both Six and the President say that everything that is happening has happened before, and it will happen again. Sounds cool & dramatic, & matrix -like, but what does it really mean? Is Six able to know what happens next because she is from "outside the loop"? Maybe she is telling the truth... she's an angel of cylon-god. I can't quite figure out what she's up to... why tell Gaius that the plan was the end of humanity? One thing though, she's not just another cylon. Given that, I think Gaius can still be human and have her bouncing around in his head. Besides... didn't she tell him he was a man after he killed crashdown? Was the clue "hidden in plain sight"?
But you're forgetting, Cally IS a Cylon...
Six had a conversation with C-Boomer while on Caprica towards the beginning of the first season. She asked if Helo loved her and if she had "done it". So this baby was planned. Don't know how to explain Six being able to say that this was the cell. Perhaps it's the highest-security cell...but by the looks of it, no. Remember that she was also able to predict what was going to happen on Kobol ("be a man, Gaius").
The whole idea behind the "be a man" was that men are murderers, Cylons are not (according to Six). When Gaius killed Crashdown, he lost control of the Cylon ways and became a man. It's that whole "fatal flaw" thing.
With the chip thing couldn´t the chip be organic in nature. Does the chip have to be metal or have synthetic parts which would show up on a scan like Doc. Cottle performed on Gaius.
It would seem to me with the Cylon being so adept at making synthetic human bodies which for all intends and purposes are anatomically human and yet programmable that they would be able to make an organic chip to install into human brains.
Perhaps knowing this Six decided to screw with Gaius to ultimately make him believe that there was no chip when in fact the chip is there. This would aid her in making him believe that she is not an illusion of a mind that is breaking down but as she puts it an angel sent to love him and protect.
Or...perhaps his whole body is a Cylon-engineered organic substance. I mean, those human-form Cylons don't show up on Doc. Cottle's scans.
I don´t refuse the possibility that Gaius is a Cylon, I just don´t like the idea. I think that he is a much more interesting character as the conflicted human as he has been portrayed so far in the series.
Rock on.
Daníel.
Hmmm...more interesting as a human? I disagree, but fair enough.
Counterpoint to the "organic chip" possibility: during Six's entire speech, she says, "There is no chip, I'm just in your head, I'm a delusion, etc..." Gaius responds, then she says, "But it's true, there is no chip." Six is known to lie, but when she looks straight into his eyes and says, "this is true," she is usually correct. (Take Kobol for example.) This time around, I think we should believe Six (maybe not that angel from god bit--metaphorical?)and say there is no chip. And as far as Gaius being human without a chip in his head...my, what a foresighted dilusion you have!
But if she is not a chip nor an illusion then what is she?
From the miniseries I always liked the idea that Gaius would be conflicted with this and was sort of surprised that he had not yet checked to see if he had a chip in his brain. When he failed to do that in the first series I explained it to myself that he might be afraid to face the possibility of being mad.
Now when Six went on the tirade about being only his imagination enduced by the mental shock of having a part in the extermination of the colonies, I was pleased that they were finally going through with this plot element. I did not expect him to find a chip and when he did not I had already thought of the possibility of the chip being organic and thus not susceptible to the tests that Gaius might perform or as it turned out doctor Cottle did perform.
If Gaius turns out to be a Cylon I will be somewhat disappointed in the writers. I was disappointed when Simon (think he was named Simon) turned out to be a Cylon. I thought that it might have been more interesting if he was a human forced to work for the Cylon´s and when Starbuck kills him thinking that he is a Cylon she realises this and has some sort of moral dilemma because of it. That is what I thought would happen but I have to be fair, with the amazing writing this show has so far produced I can not really be unhappy.
Perhaps the writers have Gaius tagged as a Cylon for future revelation but I suppose my only objection to that is personal:)
Anyway rock on.
daníel.
I cannot fathom any story arc that would make sense (or would seem credible) if the current Baltar were not a cylon. That being said, I wonder if he was originally human and by some as-yet-to-be-unveiled Cylon technology his consciousness was transferred into a Cylon chassis?
I am starting to get a bit wary of the Baltar/Six storyline. Something major needs to develop here else it is going to become a liability for the show.
Peace!
Reepicheep
ps - congrats on a first rate blog with intelligent discourse!
Six is a safeguard program designed to reign in Baltar's free will.
I like Gaius as the conflicted Cylon. Since he and other Cylons don't know what they really are I have assumed some were once people.
Now, to go out on a limb, I even think that the Baltar/Six mixing happened when she uploaded their conciousness during the blast on Caprica. She saved him in that embrace and they were both downloaded into the current body.
I am, of course, most interested in the list of models, so I don't know if this theory makes Baltar a model or not... The good thing is the series is well thought out and consistent. I wonder how many years they have planned out. :)
I think that Gaius counts as a model--he has a consciousness, in this case, that was downloaded into a body. The body+consciousness pair constitutes "model" status.
I think it's wonderful that people on Galactica are starting to realize what has been painfully obvious from day one: GAIUS IS BATSHIT INSANE.
Is it possible to be insane if you are a Cylon?
Hmm...well, there is Boomer. She went a bit nutso and tried to commit suicide.
...which would be more malfunction than insanity. Or perhaps that's the point, malfuntion is an analogy for insanity. So Baltar is likely a Cylon, but is he malfunctioning? I like the Baltar-Six as a safeguard program theory, but could she be simply a self-diagnostic and repair routine in his programing? As a malfuntioning Cylon, does he therefore appear to be insane?
I wouldn't say that Baltar is a malfunctioning Cylon... He's simply suffering from two incompatible operating instructions (similar themes have been explored in 2001:ASO and Alien)
He is designed (like the Sharons) to have free will so that he would truly appear human... yet given his "deep cover" status, the Cylons couldn't afford to have him making independent decsions that did not comport with "the plan" (whatever that is...). Thus, Six was downloaded into the Baltar chassis as well... a separate and independent AI to keep the primary AI in check.
The perception of insanity comes from his inability to reconcile the two command sets.
Did anyone else get the impression (at the end of the last episode) that Six was less than pleased with Sharon-2's complicity with the Colonials?
Interesting theories. Perhaps a detailed diagram is due... In all seriousness, it is quite possible that a malfunction is displayed by traditional signs of insanity. However, I believe Six is in Baltar's head for a reason (other than a repair subroutine). She plays too much of an important role ("I will lead you to the end of the human race") in the development of the Cylons' plan. I think that she was purposely put into a Baltar body to keep him from knowing he is a Cylon ("there are sleepers--they don't even know they're Cylons") until the exact moment he is supposed to know. I'm guessing that moment is coming up pretty soon, what with the big, obvious, slap-in-the-face clues Six is giving him.
Reepicheep: Well played. I like your explanation. However, I still would like to think that his "insanity" is a cover-up, so that no one thinks that the doctor that detects Cylons is one himself. "Baltar couldn't be a Cylon. He's gone completely batty!" Or maybe (here's something dangerous--combining two theories) the Cylons knew that the programming was incompatible and would cause dubious results, so they decided to stick Six in his brain and make him go "fracking nuts" as he would put it.
I think the lesson learned is that Cylons, like humans, can go apeshit-nutty.
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