If Gaius is not a Cylon, I'll EAT MY HAT
"You were in a house, it was destroyed, a nuclear blast." There is no way Gaius is NOT a Cylon, especially since he is in Six's head!
Eeek. Creepy when birthing-chamber Sharon said, "And we love you." No way to trigger a bit of a crazy reaction than repeating what a bunch of naked hers said to her in a moment of distress, thus revealing to herself that she is a Cylon, confirming he worst fears. Anyway...good writing.
Mechanical crossing of the legs of the three Cylons on the bench (Caprica). Awesome.
"Everyone calls you Caprica Six, like you're the only Six on the planet!" Wonderful tribute to the fans here. Some of D'Anna's lines this episode have been just downright delightful!
I also really enjoy the reversal scenes where Six had a Gaius in her head, telling her what to say in the same manner as Six (biggest parallel I see: "I need a nuclear warhead.." and "I'm different, I had someone...")
"This one thinks she's more human than Cylon...just like someone else I know." -Gaius; Is he talking about himself, or about her, or someone else...?
The baby's name is Hera...wife and sister of Zeus.
The last half of the episode provided me with no points in particular I wanted to bring to your attention. The writing was far too fluid and engaging for that.
After watching the whole episode, how could anyone NOT think that Gaius is a Cylon?! There is no way that he is not one. I do find it rather convenient, however, that after all this time on Caprica, they have only decided to repopulate it with 4 of the 5 declared Cylons, the ones we know about. Why don't we see more?
The List:
1.?
2.?
3. D'Anna
4.?
5. Doral
6. Six
7.?
8. Boomer
9.?
10.?
11.?
12.?
Revealed, still to be "filed": Simon, Leobon
Unrevealed, highly suspect: Gaius, Lee
Unrevealed, uncertain: Ellen, Gaeta
I thought for a while that a large portion of the list was already complete, but we are only halfway there. Only two of the revealed Cylons are ones not shown to us in the mini-series. We're in for quite a ride...and the writing keeps getting better! Can't wait for next week.
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After the second watching, I have one thing to say...there is a car in the garage that has the license plate "sexymom"...rather appropriate for the subject matter, I'd say.
Eeek. Creepy when birthing-chamber Sharon said, "And we love you." No way to trigger a bit of a crazy reaction than repeating what a bunch of naked hers said to her in a moment of distress, thus revealing to herself that she is a Cylon, confirming he worst fears. Anyway...good writing.
Mechanical crossing of the legs of the three Cylons on the bench (Caprica). Awesome.
"Everyone calls you Caprica Six, like you're the only Six on the planet!" Wonderful tribute to the fans here. Some of D'Anna's lines this episode have been just downright delightful!
I also really enjoy the reversal scenes where Six had a Gaius in her head, telling her what to say in the same manner as Six (biggest parallel I see: "I need a nuclear warhead.." and "I'm different, I had someone...")
"This one thinks she's more human than Cylon...just like someone else I know." -Gaius; Is he talking about himself, or about her, or someone else...?
The baby's name is Hera...wife and sister of Zeus.
The last half of the episode provided me with no points in particular I wanted to bring to your attention. The writing was far too fluid and engaging for that.
After watching the whole episode, how could anyone NOT think that Gaius is a Cylon?! There is no way that he is not one. I do find it rather convenient, however, that after all this time on Caprica, they have only decided to repopulate it with 4 of the 5 declared Cylons, the ones we know about. Why don't we see more?
The List:
1.?
2.?
3. D'Anna
4.?
5. Doral
6. Six
7.?
8. Boomer
9.?
10.?
11.?
12.?
Revealed, still to be "filed": Simon, Leobon
Unrevealed, highly suspect: Gaius, Lee
Unrevealed, uncertain: Ellen, Gaeta
I thought for a while that a large portion of the list was already complete, but we are only halfway there. Only two of the revealed Cylons are ones not shown to us in the mini-series. We're in for quite a ride...and the writing keeps getting better! Can't wait for next week.
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After the second watching, I have one thing to say...there is a car in the garage that has the license plate "sexymom"...rather appropriate for the subject matter, I'd say.
posted by (and Ernie) at 7:18 AM
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Rick Worthy and Calum Keith Rennie weren't available for this episode, so the Simons and Leobons have no speaking parts. However, body doubles dressed like them were in the background of several scenes.
This episode proves the Cylons are not responsbile for Gaius and Six being in each other's heads. Thye know nothing about it.
Number Three is the most malicious Cylon yet. According to Lucy Lawless, her character is the Dick Cheney model.
The model numbers seem to be arranged by age, which supports the idea that they grow older.
So...G-Boomer didn't shoot herself in the face...it was D'Anna Cheney. It's all falling into place...
No spoilers in this excerpt:
Lucy Lawless on Playing the Purest Cylon
From Julia Houston,
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Feb 17 2006
A few days ago, the Sci Fi Channel provided the good news that Lucy Lawless' character on Battlestar Galactica will be featured in a ten-episode arc at the start of the show's third season. Lawless plays a fiercely dedicated investigative reporter D'Anna Biers, who has turned out to be a Cylon.
"Will you be in all ten episodes?" I ask.
"They're still writing, so nothing is certain, but I think I'm going to be in all but two of them," Lawless says.
"What angles are you adding to the character now that we in the audience know she's a Cylon?"
"You know, I just finished reading a book, The Fantasy Bond [Structure of Psychological Defenses, by Robert W. Firestone]. It's about the fantasies that we endow our relationships with, whether they're there or not," Lawless explains. "What if your mother is evil, but you can't help but love this woman? You see her as your mother. It's all about the psychology of relationships.
"I recognize this character, using this book, as you'll see. She has all the hallmarks of a friend, but there's no warmth to her. So, instinctively, you find her menacing."
"She's menacing, all right," I agree.
"I was watching her while I was doing the looping," Lawless continues, "and I'm tickled pink with the way it turned out. And I have to tell you, I'm so thrilled to be part of this team. They really have given me the greatest role I've had since Xena.
"D'Anna leaves me lots of room to be twisty. She's like the ultimate narcissist. Sharon and Six are really having some real crises of faith with the Cylon ID, and my character finds that just…so repugnant."
The tone of true disgust in Lawless' voice is priceless.
"The challenge is to keep her menacing and likable," Lawless explains. "You'll have to see what you think when you see the episodes. She's one of those people you watch because you don't quite trust her. You can tell she's got an agenda, but you're not sure what it is."
"This is all made even more interesting because she's a reporter," I can't help pointing out. "We're so suspicious of the press in general right now, so concerned about what agendas they have."
"Well, there's a supposed role of the media to be the good guys and to tell the truth," Lawless says, "and she does that. It's just that D'Anna's description of the truth isn't human."
"I'm guessing you and Ron Moore have been talking about this?"
"Yes, we had lunch, and I'm really curious about what Ron's going to do with my character. Her agenda doesn't jibe with Sharon's or Six's. She considers herself the pure form, so everybody else needs to come into line with her."
"So you're really describing a character that is reflecting our times," I note. "Are you going to end up accidentally shooting Starbuck in the face?"
"Nobody here but us chickens!" Lawless laughs. "But that works, doesn't it? She's Dick Cheney with boobs."
"Oh, dear."
Okay he survided the blast, he and six are even more kindred spirits than we knew, and all three crossed legs on the bench.
yeah but....
now back on caprica and no reason to keep up the ruse around an inner-Gaius.... cap-six and cap-sharon still talk about gaius as if he is human. In fact Six says I fell in love with a human, I fell in love with a man. She's there with pure cylon-sharon now, there's no reason to keep up the pretense. She started her mission on cap as a fully self-aware cylon, unlike sharon and her memory implants of a human life, which evidently haven't gone away. So doesn't six know Gaius is a cylon? She knows there are twelve models. If anything, to me the conversation in the apartment proves Gaius is not a cylon!
I'm convinced that they are more than just each other's conscience, but not that he is a cylon. I believe that he crossed his legs justa fraction of a second after Six and D'Anna, to be sarcastic, which is his id-personality in full bloom here. And he survived the nuclear blast by transferring to his next cylon body... No Wait!! I mean.... I don't know how he survived the blast.... but he's not a cylon. Six would've known.
Hey wait a minute.... what hat??
Shockwave extending outwards from a nearby blast, enough to kill Six who was doing a human shield (or should I say, Cylon shield) thing. He *was* bruised.
WOW! I thought I was the only person who believes Lee Adama to be a Cyolon. I suspect it will have to do with Bill Adama's dark past,and the deals he had to make to become a commander. There's more to that man, than meets the eye. I think he's been a cylon tool for longer than anyone realizes.
I agree that Gais has to be a Cylon... maybe two programs in one body by accident? (#6 is his "conscience")
Was Billy a cylon? Something Bill Adama said to Lee about using your "instincts". Billy had none! No personality! *yawn* So happy they "killed" him!
I doubt Billy was a Cylon. I don't really see any strategical purpose. They already worked Gaius into vice president, working on president now. It's a waste of programming to have the aid to the secretary of education who became the president almost by chance be a Cylon. Just doesn't convince me.
As far as Gaius surviving a nuclear shockwave, there is just no way! If he didn't die from the initial blast, the radiation would have boiled his insides. His house would have been smashed to little bits. He would have had a lot more than a few scratches. I think that the Cylons are concealing truths from each other as a part of the plan...they didn't tell Six that Baltar was "alive", so maybe they won't tell her that Baltar is a Cylon. Perhaps he wasn't falling into line with his programming, but they needed him to still think he was a human, so Six was sent to get the information. I don't believe this as firmly as LAiAC, but it's pretty darn certain. Those Cylons can be pretty sneaky.
P.S. Maybe Gaius would have a chance if Six was a traditional Cylon, all bulky and metallic. "Flesh and Bone", so to speak, just would not do it.
No, a shockwave does not carry that kind of radiation. He lived.
Here is the question I was left with: "Who is Number One?"
We know Three, Five, Six and Eight. I can't help but think that Number one must have some leadership position. I'm wondering whether it's Baltar...
THE PLAN
I know the answers, but it's a spoiler (actually it's two spoilers).
On a related note, since it's age-based then Leobon is probably Two, Simon is probably Four, and Apollo is probably Seven (but that's just intuition).
Interesting trivia: The weird lines that hallucination-Baltar says to Caprica-Six at the end of Downloaded were originally going to be said by the cast (standing on the shore) to Lee when he was swimming in the stream in Resurrection Ship, part 2.
And above the Sexymom license plate was a bumper sticker reading 'C-Bucks Rule!'.
(Caprica Buccaneers - Anders' team).
That trivia is more delicious evidence...
I would have thought that Simon was older than Leobon. Every time we see him, Leobon looks all sickly which might be deceiving, but I don't think he's very old. If it's age-based, then there will be a lot of very young Cylon models. Boomer can't even be 30, so we're looking at Callie, Gaeta, (Boxey)...no Lance Armstrong, though...he's too old now. Hmm...
I'd like to know more about Bill Adama's past. The man facinates me! I don't believe him to be a cylon, but I'm willing to bet his ambitions will prove to be responsible for Lee being one.
Has anyone considered that there is a (tangilble) 3rd party in play, that neither the humans or the cylons are aware of? Who were "the gods" on Cobol? Since man created cylon, I don't think it was a cylons.
Can someone please post a good link for spoilers? The Trek BBS was the best place for Trek spoilers (I use to get them in my mail), but I have no clue where to go for Battle Star... except here. ;)
/admitted spoiler whore and proud of it!
Lance is there in spirit... in male cylon narrow-frontal-skull structures!
I don't even want to hear hints of spoilers!.. wish Ron Moore was bit more tight lipped. Loose lips sink Battlestars.
I was going to mention.... now that we've seen the matrix style cylon birth vats, it's more evidence that what we saw a few weeks ago was the software-less Lee lying in the pond/vat, his cylon body, running on OS only I guess, looking up metaphorically expecting to receive his download.
Number One was revealed in the last episode of the Prisoner... it was Leo what's his name, an english actor.... or was it the monkey that Number Six was chasing around in circles in episode 17. I can't remember.
Disclaimer... if model #1 turns out to be Leo what's his name, or a monkey, this was a completely lucky and hopefully ridiculous guess.
Anyonymous, go here: s9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?act=idx for spoilers (and fanfiction, some of which is mine).
And I really like your idea, it ties some things together.
P.S. Don't post any spoilers here, LAiaC hates that.
I googled "Who were the gods? Battlestar Galactica" and found this link - http://www.proaxis.com/~sherlockfam/art5.html
It appears we have some (or one, who knows) new posters, so I would like to re-iterate all of "the rules". No spoilers directly on here. If you have a link to a spoilery site, you can post the link, but put a warning that there are spoilers. Also, please adopt an alias so everyone can keep thinks straight. Thanks!
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