Paternal Instinct
Surprisingly, not much to say about this episode. Perhaps another look at it will bring out some interesting points, but that is for later this week.
Broad observation of the night: Tahmoh Penikett would have been cast as Starbuck if that character was still a man. Katte Sackhoff and he act--and even look!--the same.
Quote of the night: "I'm a father, just like you, sir." -Helo to Admiral Adama
Broad observation of the night: Tahmoh Penikett would have been cast as Starbuck if that character was still a man. Katte Sackhoff and he act--and even look!--the same.
Quote of the night: "I'm a father, just like you, sir." -Helo to Admiral Adama
posted by (and Ernie) at 10:57 PM
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When Apollo is exposed, will Adama protect him? Or will he allow him to be destroyed as a threat to the Fleet?
Both Helo and Adama have a Cylon child.
I know *I'm* going to rewatch this excellent episode.
Well, that was even a better line than I realized last night. So Adama is just like Helo. That could make the case for Lee Adama being tha child of a human and a cylon... in a pre-holocaust mating experiment. Remember Adama warned Kara that Leobon mixes the truth in with the deception. If Lee was 1/2 cylon, leobon could still say he was a cylon.
If all this were true, then it helps the case for Apollo being apollo and starbuck being artimus from the greek mythos. Artimus & apollo were twins, fought together as very young children, and watched each other's back. See we've seen that part of their relationship come out, the watching each other's back. Lee even apologizes for not being there for her a week ago. Kara says she's been fighting all her life, she doesn't know how to do anything else, like artimus, goddess of the hunt. If Kara is half cylon as I suggested last week, and Lee is half cylon, as Helo could have suggested this week, along with Leobon's "half-truth", then metaphorically they would be twins, the only two adult half human half cylons in existence.... that watch each other's back, like artimus and apollo. By the way, Kara having a cylon as a parent would explain why leobon knew of her childhood and why kara is "special" and why the cylons "know of her".
So what happened to the experiment? Okay, I'm out of limb but I'm going to keep going anyway. Suppose it wasn't an experiment but a rougue model, who decided to try to understand humanity, or search for love. Who found it on Caprica and had two children. Two different models makes it a plan or an experiment. Which I have problems with since Sharon seems like the first one of the experiment. But one rogue who sneaks off and has two babies? Three with Lee's brother. Have Kara or Lee ever seen each other's mothers. I don't think so. If they ever do? They just might discover they had the same mother, first with Adama then with the pianist. Which makes Lee and Kara half brother, half sister, half human and half cylon.
Or it makes me half-baked.
If you think back to the episode in season one where 20 pilots are killed on the flight deck, Kara has a flashback to Zach's funeral, where Mrs. Adama is standing there, crying with a veil over her face. I think a more likely sibling connection is that Starbuck was engaged to Zach, which would have made Apollo her brother-in-law. I am still not convinced that Starbuck is half-Cylon. I think there is some other reason that she is special. Listening to the commentaries on season one makes me feel like the writers know as much about what's going on as we do. (For instance, "The Boomer-Helo plotline on Caprica was something that we knew we wanted, because Tahmoh is very good, we just didn't know where it was going." Then later on, when Sharon is assigned to make Helo fall in love with her, "This is where I really got a sense of why Boomer was there, what this whole plotline was about.")
I'm certain that Apollo is all Cylon and Starbuck is all human.
If she's special I think it's because she doesn't fit any of the 12 archetypes the Cylons noticed in humanity, and which they based their human-type models on.
The Biocylons are simply too young to have adult hybrid children, and evverything we've heard leads me to belive that Boomer and Helo's daughter is the very first of her kind. I didn't mean Helo and Adama were *just* like each other.
Anyways, what do you think Adama would do? And BTW, I posted some pertinent information at the post of the Resurrection Ship part 2 thread.
Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I am not sure I got a clear handle on how the blood from the cylon hybrid infant cured the President's cancer. I know that Baltar explained it but sounded like pure techno-babble to me (calling Giordi LaForge, calling Giordi LaForge...) ... but I digress.
The conversation between Adama and Helo nearly gave me chills.
PS - what will the President do with her "epiphany" about Baltar?
I'm not exactly sure, but my vague grasp on this is that the blood cells have no antigens, meaning when they went in there, the President's cancerous cells (which look like regular cells because of a glycoprotein flag they've got on the outside) we somehow attacked by the Helper T cells, which recognized the difference...somehow. It sounded to me like a souped-up O- blood transfusion. But, as far as I know, pure techno-babble. Usually, the writers have avoided this tactic. This was the reasoning behind Roslyn having cancer instead of some other random disease. What we are supposed to get out of it is that the Cylon hybrid has super-blood that is immune to everything. I think it was a weak device, but whatever works. I will have to rewatch that sequence and see if I can figure out the logic.
From the very beginning, when we first discovered the President's cancer, I knew that we were destined for a run-of-the-mill sci fi techno-babble quick fix. It was unavoidable. Now it's done and we can get on with the story.
The question now is, what further consequence does the Cylon blood hold? Like Luke with his robot hand, or post-Borg Picard, Roslin is now part-Cylon. Do we always become that which we most despise?
Also, when you're finished speculating about who may or may not be a Cylon, we have a few other discussions running at http://theyhaveaplan.blogspot.com
Question for 'Lee Adama is a Cylon':
Would you consider it a spoiler to post a list of all season two episodes? Not information about them, just a list?
Yes. Please do not. Thank you for asking.
You don't want to know what they're called? Okay.
Allow me to explain: Sometimes, the title reveals some basic subject matter or the show, for instance, "Resurrection Ship". I realize that thise title is displayed after the opening sequence, but often the opening sequence is the coolest part, especially when you know nothing about the episode (including title). I want to keep this site completely clean of any spoilery. I'm sure there are other places that people can find such a list if they desire, as you did.
well your're right, starbuck must have seen Lee's mother at the funeral. Oh well... I'll have to work on that theory.
a little trivia, I did notice in the credits, though, watching the episode just now... the Hotdog character who chases after starbuck to fight the cylons near the end of the show, is Bodie Olmos... Adama's (Edward James Olmos) "real" son.
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